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Glass Heart 08-21-2012 06:51 PM

Digital or Traditional !?!?
 
I've been trying to work and improve my art and I'm finding some people who really like it but then when they find out I drew it on the computer they give a more negative response

even if I don't use any special effects
just different brushes


currently signed up for an art class so sometime I'm going to try drawing it again by hand, since I will have an easel for class
(doesn't have one at home nor the space for one)

So, I'm wondering what people look for more so in art
is it the art and/or the medium used?


My drawings:

Asami 08-21-2012 09:32 PM

I think both styles are amazing!
Keep working on getting better and listen to critiques but don't let them get you down

I think you are rather talented ^^
And your artwork is really beautiful

Ginger 08-21-2012 10:49 PM

I used to have a thing against digital art, however I have learned to appreciate it more. I love both. Your artwork is very nice, but I do think your digital works have more depth and contrast to them, both very important for attention-grabbing. You should consider starting an art gallery on here and maybe opening up an art shop :)

Quiet Man Cometh 08-21-2012 10:52 PM

I think there is this impression that digital requires less skill than traditional (not that I agree with that), because it's so easy to edit and change things, and effects like bluring and such exists in digital that are harder to pull off in traditional art; you click a button instead of working with a smudger or fingers and you don't like it, you hit "undo" with no eraser marks to try and hide. Because of that I think people expect more from digital art.

I like traditional art, but that's what I learned to do and it interests me more, though I imagine if I had digital art programs on my computer and new more about the tools and techniques I would be more interested in digital art. It's just not a skill set I'm as familiar with.

I do like the blend though, when I see people that do it. The artist Scott M. Fischer (not sure if that's spelt write) that I see on some Magic the Gathering cards is someone I really like, and he blends traditional art with digital for his pieces.

I think another reason people may look down on digital art at times is because it's from a computer and there is no one original piece besides the file. Theoretically, you could print off as many as you like so there could be no shortage of prints. Fischer I know simply makes a limited number of prints and then destroys the file.

I find the debate between the two fairly interesting actually.

As for what I look for in art, I'd say that varies between pieces. Essentially, it depends on how and whether or a not a piece speaks to me. I probably wont react the same to two different pieces by the same artist in the same style.

Tarrek 08-22-2012 10:16 PM

I find that with digital art it is quicker to get a whole piece, but finer detail is harder, but that could be because I have way more experience in traditional. I am seeing that the line is blurring though as I get more practice in photoshop. I had never touched photoshop before January of last year, but now I'm using it more than a pencil.

Glass Heart 08-22-2012 10:54 PM

Smiles

@Asami
Thank you, I will keep that in mind.
It wasn't really a critique that got me down more so a sad face I said that I drew it and then when she went to ask kind of the medium, I said the computer. I think it was the disappointment in her expression that got me.
I'm always open for critiques, suggestions, and what my bf does "you did it wrong, do it again better"
if anyone would like to critique me it would be great but outside of having a single class my bf is the only one that has really tried to give me any advice
I hope I can get some tips with the drawing class I'm taking now (I wish it was more than once a week.)

@Ginger
Yes, I have thought about that maybe sometime soon. I got some classes I need to study for at the moment, biology.
I'd also have to figure out what my art would be valued as if I started a shop.
A gallery may also be nice since I could maybe get critiques hmm...

@Quiet Man Cometh
Yeah, I'll have to agree with you on that. It seems the only way to prove talent is to record what and how you did a drawing so someone could get the credit for it.
Hmm, I've never thought of a limited amount of copies before that is a neat idea.
I'll have to agree with you I feel the same about art some drawings just seem a lot better than others even with the same artist, it depends.
I think it depends on the artist's mood it always seems to affect my art at least, the more I'm inspired the better the drawing seems to turn out.

@Tarrek
It takes me about the same amount of time for either from pencil /pencil like objects vs. tablet. However, other mediums like painting I'd need to get used to before I could completely judge that.
I started using a tablet this past Easter, currently I've been using it a lot more than normal drawing since it not only saves me from using a ton of paper but also my scanner/printer is having some issues.


Thanks Everyone =)

Tarrek 08-23-2012 11:03 AM

I usually use a Wacom screen for my digital stuff. If you don't know, that is one of the expensive screens you can control with a specific pen. I haven't done any painting on paper in a long time, but I remember not liking it much. I prefer pencil to paper. I like clay modelling too though. I've gotten pretty good at painting models.

Quiet Man Cometh 08-23-2012 12:21 PM

Does the resolution of the screen make a differnce when it comes to fine details on a computer do you think? What about starting with a very large work and then sizing it smaller as a finished piece? I know some images I see online in digital looks regular size but when I download the file they are massive, not in terms of file size but in image size.

Tarrek 08-23-2012 07:24 PM

Resolution is VERY important to finer detail. I usually run at about 300 for finer stuff. Simple stuff is good at 72 (default). One thing to remember about raster art is that you can always scale down, but can't scale up without blurring and general uglyness, so starting with a higher resolution lets you make something look better when it's both big and small.

Glass Heart 08-23-2012 10:43 PM

Yeah I have a wacom bamboo capture is the version I have

yeah resolution is very important I normally start with a large format when I draw something but then shrink it when I put it online but never had it as small as the pictures in my top post before it's mostly for a quick example
I've been trying to find a good one to start with
tried 1024 x 768 but more recently
I rounded those numbers up to 1050 x 770
resolution is like at 72 since I didn't mess with it

(curious what others think would be a good would be good widths, heights, and resolution, at least for what they use?)

˟ 08-30-2012 09:32 PM


Waow! Those digital scene looking ones are awesome. + o +
Your traditional art isn't so bad either!
Uhm, maybe just practice more? Draw a lot? XD;
Not sure..
Good luck though. c:
Your art is awesome~

Glass Heart 09-02-2012 11:39 PM

nods yeah the traditional I have up there is before I started the digital because I haven't taken the time to get a new scanner to post more of it up
but yeah drawing a lot will help more, took a drawing class this term to help with that some, even if I don't like some of the art...
and thanks

Kage No Hoko Ki 09-15-2012 01:16 PM

I like both depending on what i want. I mostly just draw but i like looking at peoples digital art. :D

~love 09-18-2012 12:41 AM

I like both your trad and CG art D:
I don't know why you'd get a negative response though; was there a difference in style of maybe?

Mika 10-10-2012 03:20 AM

I only use traditional, myself. The odd time I'll pixel something, but I prefer paper and pencils.

Glass Heart 11-25-2012 04:00 PM

@ Kage No Hoko Ki
yeah
here too
though part of the reason I really like digital is that my mom doesn't go through and throw it away, if she finds art that happens to be in her way or has fallen on the floor she'd go through and trash it, less likely to mine since I try to keep it out of her way but it just uses more paper and space than a digital drawing


@~love
no I think she just didn't like digital
she loved it before I said it was a digital work...
was showing pictures that I took of my art off to people at work
she said something on the lines of how digital was easier
I think because some people will copy and paste something they have seen into their art... something I really dislike to see but can admire how well some people can do it, just won't do that in my art since I feel it's cheating


@Mika
I found with the art class I am taking this term that I really like traditional so many different things I need to try
charcoal is one of my favorite and ink drawings I still need to work on the wash for it
but yeah you get kind of a special feel when using traditional sometimes
it's great

pachi 11-26-2012 03:15 AM

digital's just another medium for me (albeit more convenient, I haven't touched any of my traditional media in ages, not including in class). you'd have to practise in any medium to get good at it. I look more at the final product than judge what medium it was created in. :V there are strengths and weaknesses to each one.

MacSen191 11-27-2012 09:28 AM

I like both. I pefer looking at traditional oil paintings and pencil/charcoal skethes, but to me digital art is beatiful as well... specially when you can't tell it was done on the computer or if it was all done by hand.

Slylord 11-27-2012 03:46 PM

I like traditional, since it's the only thing that I can do. Digital is nice when it's done especially well.

Cora 12-12-2012 01:36 PM

I think it merits saying both styles have there merits.

I personally prefer traditional art as I feel it is more an expression of the self. But I think both your styles are beautiful.

Amakai 04-07-2013 09:43 AM

I've been a traditional artist my entire life...I only started doing digital art this year and I find it a lot of fun. It takes me longer to color so I'm not pumping out pieces every few hours which I suppose keeps my Deviantart watchers happy that I'm not flooding their inbox with my art xD Doing digital art keeps my submissions to 2-3 MAYBE 4-5 a day xD

I'll never give up traditional art though. It's always my passion. I like drawing on paper more but I prefer coloring/shading on the computer

Kit Katy 06-07-2013 12:37 AM

I honestly like both types and would purchase either of them. My favorite about the traditional is the detail of each line. They're kinda soft, as in it looks soft to the touch. As for the digital, clear and cleanly made. It's like a photo you take when touring a new city.

Mod 06-14-2013 06:52 AM

I love both but i would say your better at digital :3

Glass Heart 07-30-2013 07:43 AM

yeah I more likely am better at digital however, I have been working on painting, which seems to be another strong point, just don't have any of those online at the moment, last time I tried putting some of them up I had got a lot of spam comments on deviantart...only on the oil paintings

#FFFFFF 01-22-2014 08:19 PM

You do a marvelous job with both styles... I personally can't do anything on the computer at all... Like I really can't. It has to be traditional. I'm very jealous.


Aenith 07-04-2014 11:24 AM

I like your traditional style a lot more, but that might just be personal preference. I used to do a lot of digital artwork and only started going back to pencils and paper when I lost my tablet. I just like traditional artwork a lot more. It's nice to be able to have an actual tangible object to hold and be able to say you did that. AND no one can claim it as their own unless they like...break into your house and take it.

Glass Heart 07-15-2014 09:38 AM

Well there is someone I know whose father had brought his artwork to a place to frame it and came back later and the person took his name off and had it in their gallery trying to sell it as their own work. He didn't have any proof anymore that it was his, no pictures of him with it ahead of time so the guy stole his work.
And like you said, actually my great grandfather had some artwork he did that someone broke into his house and stole it, he figured out who had it but he felt they must of needed it more than he did. It was a religious picture and they had put it up in their house.

I've been working on both, back and forth, still a little more on digital because it can't get in other people's way, and the cat can't sit on my digital work. =p
I more likely will do more traditional art when I either have a class or a studio.

Den 07-16-2014 08:56 PM

I do both. just really depends on my moods. I like digital because I don't have to lug art supplies around, but traditional's fun too, because nearly instant gratification.

clealuira 07-20-2014 02:00 PM

I dont know how people are viewing your work, I would love to see too! I have more success at digital paining then I ever had at real painting simply because of the undo button lol! But digital paintings are still art, just using a different medium and not everyone with art software can make a nice picture.

Witchchylde 10-25-2014 02:25 PM

Me personally, I like to work in traditional media. Mostly I work in pencils and pastels. I have done some painting, in oils and in acrylics, and I quite like the malleability of oils, whereas I find with acrylics once you put down a brushstroke you're stuck with it.

I have done some digital work, but the pinky finger on my right hand tends to swell and stiffen after so many hours of mousework, and I have no tablet to use, so for that reason alone I have to respect someone who can achieve such detailed work digitally. And your work is admirable even beyond the consideration of physical limitations.

That being said, traditional training can inform your digital style, so absolutely do keep taking classes. I half wish apprenticeships were still a legitimate training method, I'd have been apprenticed out probably even before my tweens and would certainly have had a guaranteed access to supplies and a workspace, things I have to struggle to find even to this date.

Den 11-02-2014 04:17 PM

I like to sketch stuff out in traditional mediums, but I'll scan and clean them up in GIMP on my computer, because I can get more consistent line widths and can do more with colors than in traditional mediums (Even though I started out with traditional mediums... Plus, GIMP is free, and the traditional mediums... tend not to be for what I want to be able to do...). So really, it's more a matter of preference. Both have their merits, and both have things that're difficult to do in.

Lawtan 11-02-2014 04:48 PM

>.> I need to figure out how to (or if GIMP can) scan the lines as a layer.

I am right now traditional, though I intend to move towards digital, as in the long run, digital art uses up fewer resources (paint) than traditional...

Den 11-02-2014 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lawtan (Post 1641739)
>.> I need to figure out how to (or if GIMP can) scan the lines as a layer.

I am right now traditional, though I intend to move towards digital, as in the long run, digital art uses up fewer resources (paint) than traditional...

GIMP would probably put the lineart as a separate layer. likely the background layer, but I've never scanned directly into the program. In theory, it's possible. I've just never done it.


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